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chemistry and clinical psychology so

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left right brain and right brain and

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right so it's pretty cool so he's gonna

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talk on death and the great Concilium

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thank you thank you thank you all for

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being here I appreciate the opportunity

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my name is Kenny Arnett and I am an MA

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student in the philosophy program of the

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University of Memphis I come from an odd

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background however I began in chemistry

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math and physics and moved on to

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psychology before I sought refuge in

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philosophy and so now I'm a an itinerant

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philosopher and unfortunately I've been

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having major problems with my eyes over

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the last two years with several

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surgeries and an additional procedure

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last week and the lights are absolutely

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killing me which is why I have

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sunglasses on top of my head and so this

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is what I look like and now I'm going

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undercover I'm now incognito as well as

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having trouble seeing however it's

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better than the other option I'm not

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sure why I'm in the healing session

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unless you consider death to be the

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great healer and actually death does

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heal all conditions so in that sense

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yeah but in another sense no my emphasis

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in my research is consciousness and I

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find insight into consciousness in death

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related experiences anomalous

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experiences subjective experiences my

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hope is that I provide for you and at

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least a good perhaps an excellent

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example of what was being discussed all

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morning principles that were discussed

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all morning about subjectivity versus

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objectivity etc I'm going to give you an

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example of using subjective impressions

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and perceptions and experiences

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you know a semi objective way to

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reconcile several different kinds of

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anomalous experiences under one paradigm

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and that paradigm is my theory of

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essence and I apologize there are eight

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principles that I'm citing here it's

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actually much more complex than what I

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could possibly present each item of the

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eight is at least an hour-and-a-half

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lecture so let's go about 10 seconds

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each first the theory of essence is a

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scientific database theory of an ancient

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dualism hated by generations upon

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generations of people for a long time

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second under this paradigm the body is

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material with Disko properties I don't

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think that's controversial an example of

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physical property of the body is that it

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generates an electromagnetic field the

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other half of the picture however is

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what I call the essence this could be

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called the spirit or the soul just as

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easily but I chose something of a more

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neutral term the essence is non material

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but it does have at least one physical

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property and that is it generates an

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electromagnetic field so I'm

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distinguishing between materialism and

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physicalism and I'm saying that one can

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attribute physical properties to things

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that are not Material and I refer to

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that in number five but I'll go to

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number four first these two entities the

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two substances to use Aristotle's term

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interact through their EMF which

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interpenetrate and influence each other

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in real time so that is the interaction

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mechanism that people accuse Descartes

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of not being able to come up with and it

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salvan I did that in 90s number five

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basically very different in their

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construction the body is tied to

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space-time because it's made of matter

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essence however is not made of matter

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still have physical properties and is

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only bound to the body and not to

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space-time it's bound to the body

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through EMF the best example of this

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kind of you want to call it hair

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strings exist one the open-ended string

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represents matter and energy and the

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other a closed loop string is not

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attached to space-time but still is made

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of energy and generates an EMF so the

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number seven upon death the body stays

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put the essence however is unbound it's

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released and it can leave space-time and

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space-time so that's a rapid overview of

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the theory it's actually much more

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complex so I'm going to talk about six

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different anomalous experiences

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ease or one of them would be a DRA E or

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a dre so you can call me dr. Dre if you

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first with near-death experiences we

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find that they have occurred for

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millions of people across cultures

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these systems religions all kinds of

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demographic variables have been shown to

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not be factors in whether or not a

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person has an NDE they typically involve

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a case where a person comes physically

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close to death that is in a state that

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may lead to death but they either die

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and are resuscitated or they don't

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actually die and they come back there

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are cases of Indies however that do not

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involve coming physically close to death

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for instance if you believe that you're

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about to die and you have an NDE in

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spite of the fact that you're not

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injured steps or phenomena that are

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included in the NDE to typically begin

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with feelings of peace and then

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transitioning to observing the body from

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above then often seeing a dark tunnel

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and entering it traversing it to another

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realm that's in very deep indies and

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there are much more many more than amma

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important aspects of the NDE that refers

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about this morning are ways of verifying

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perceptions that people have during

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these and making them at least semi

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objective and the first one is veridical

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perception these are cases where the

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person observes something in the

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physical world while out of body and

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then reports it when they are back and

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it turns out to be verifiable

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independently and it is verified

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independently and the book the self does

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not die which was mentioned this morning

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is 100 cases of just that the second

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form of objective verification is in

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cases all cases of NDEs which share

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subsets of one general set of phenomena

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the same phenomena even though then they

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these in most cases they don't know that

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these phenomena occurred during Indies

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they may not even know they're having an

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NDE until it's over so these are two

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ways of adding some objectivity to what

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this is the way to a new paradigm in

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science where we incorporate

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subjectivity and anomalous experience

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and experience in general in a way that

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is scientifically valid and helps us to

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augment objective measurement techniques

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in other words we use ourselves as

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probes as instruments I think that's the

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new paradigm that's coming and then

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lastly I give my theory of essence

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definition of the NDE a complete

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temporary dissociation of consciousness

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from the body that is the essence is the

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seat of consciousness and when it leaves

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the body it takes consciousness with it

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to be had the man observes that his

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children are fighting over his will

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right next to his dead body not only is

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that impolite but when the man is

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resuscitated he can say I saw you

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fighting over my will and the kids will

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have no choice but to say it's an Indy

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and he saw us because the body was dead

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this is an artist's rendition a second

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artist rendition the Indy ear is asking

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the doctor for a second opinion however

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the doctor cannot hear the request or

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see the patient hovering above the

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patient's body this is a case where you

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would not have vertical perception but

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once dissociated the essence is not

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visible or audible although it can both

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see and hear so the essence is the

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center of perception as well

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cognition and consciousness and there

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the indie ear has attempted to stop

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doctors from reviving the body and they

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can't stop the doctors because they

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can't touch anything because they pass

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not actually death related it's more NDE

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related and this is out-of-body

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experiences and I know there are people

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in this room with much greater knowledge

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of OBEs than me I mention it however

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because the initial stage of the NDE is

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definition is a partial body essence

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time than I've got and this can happen

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is in meditation where people are able

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to dissociate from their bodies and

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more NDE related than it is death

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related but at this into the overall

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picture and again it's consistent with

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the theory of essence to a greater depth

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of then I've been able to explain it

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the third here we go we're going down

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the rabbit hole now ghosts and orbs

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ghosts in general are traditionally

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defined as perceptions by living persons

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of a non-material entity that may take

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the appearance of a human being you may

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recognize the human being or it may just

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be an or

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which is a spherical ball of light

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and/or energy but in the theory of

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essence definition which is very long

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here it's an essence whose body has

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permanently died but has not traverse

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the wormhole has not left this

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space-time due to certain factors that

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attach the essence to this physical

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world so ghosts and orbs are around

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because they are attached for one reason

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or another to this physical reality and

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they have not gone through the wormhole

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to the new realm at the bottom is a

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quote from a friend of mine from years

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ago who is a part-time ghost hunter I

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don't know any full-time ghost hunters

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and she provided me with three frames

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I'm going to show you and the bottom is

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a quote from her this was right after I

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suggested that I wanted to take a

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picture if someone would be so kind as

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to show themselves I then took three

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exposures in a row in a span of two

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seconds and here I'm going to use my

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pointer little red dot here's the first

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exposure and if you can see my little

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red dot you can see she's in the

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basement of her mother's home and this

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is her closet and you don't see anything

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here but clothing and that where my red

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dot is so there's nothing there in the

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next exposure though though you should

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be able to see it right here do you it's

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kind of faint but if you see it on a

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computer screen you'll see it's a

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glowing ball of light and it has

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structure very interesting and it came

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out of nowhere

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and apparently upon request and

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apparently for very short time because

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the third exposure you see it's not

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there so nothing happened in between

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except snap snap snap it was not there

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it was there and it was gone that's just

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one picture

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I've talked with people at previous

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conferences and they've shown me their

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video libraries of orgs and real time

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very impressive I didn't have that

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available we connect this with

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near-death experience research by

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looking at testimonies of indie ears

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about what their bodies are like when

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they're out of the physical body I have

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three quotes here from Raymond Moody's

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book life after life which was critical

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in getting this field started and you

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see that people describe themselves as a

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little ball of energy an energy pattern

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or being charged and composed of waves

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so this is different ways of trying to

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word the unworkable the ineffable

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they're trying to describe what it's

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like to be a little ball of energy which

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we just saw so I think there's a direct

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connection between the NDE OBEs and

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ghosts or orbs but let's go further oh

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wait how do we get out of the universe

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we take wormholes

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general relativity and if you look at

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the descriptions of tunnels from Indy

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ears and you look at the description

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theoretically of wormholes from

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relativistic businesses the descriptions

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the fourth after-death communications

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these are typically spirits who have

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returned after being away for a while to

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deliver a message to a loved one

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and there are there's a vast literature

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on this now in the last 20 years the

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theory of essence definition is that

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this is an essence that has separated

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permanently from its body traverse the

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wormhole to the next realm and come back

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through a wormhole to deliver a message

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to someone a loved one typically who is

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still a lot and I can show you

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a visual example of this from

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Shakespeare's Hamlet so it's not an

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actual example this is the ghost of

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Hamlet's father ghost in the typical

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vernacular coming back to tell him that

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Claudius was the one who poisoned him

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so this unfortunately PowerPoint

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insisted I chop the head off of this

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apparition I thought that was redundant

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because he's already dead but that's the

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way it goes anyway this is the return of

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a once living person to deliver a

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message of importance and you can see

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that that's consistent with the theory

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of essence because it's an essence

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that's returned to deliver a message

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v mediumship I don't need to talk much

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about this we talked about this this

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morning and I only have three minutes

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left so I will just say that this is an

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indirect way of an essence contacting a

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person living in a physical body on this

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planet and I'll just go on these are too

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well known not Chandler's but mediums

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John Edward James Van Praagh from the

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this reincarnation I don't need to

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explain what that is but in the theory

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of definition of essence definition way

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too long this is an essence that's come

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back to start a new life cycle and it

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retains some of its previous knowledge

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but it's buried we forget some people

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remember occasionally some people under

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hypnosis remember a lot but again this

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is consistent with the theory of essence

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it's coming back for another life the

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essence is the constant the body is the

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thing that changes from life to life and

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there's an example I worked hard to find

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a picture of reincarnation and fine

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I found the 14th reincarnation of the

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Dalai Lama

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so there's your illustration and sixth

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or sorry just summarize my flowchart of

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death I had neglected to put theory of

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essence in the center I should have it's

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the center that has a spoke to each of

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these phenomenon in OBEs are the least

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death like so I start there in des are

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death like but not quite

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then ghosts and orbs are definitely

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death ADCs are death coming back to give

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you a message

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mediumship I put in parentheses because

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it's indirect and reincarnation and is

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pretty darn direct and we're coming

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directly back here to do this all again

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don't ask me why so that is the end of

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my talk thank you very much for your

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attention

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[Applause]

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and I would like to ask that York please

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insult me in English I will do the same

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I have a question and a comment you are

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claiming that essence has an

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electromagnetic field I am what is that

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how is that measured how's that how is

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it measured how are what it's measure

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these things all the time no they don't

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that's equipment failure and misuse we

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differ in our opinion sure and then my

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comment is it's inappropriate to use

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orbs as evidence of anything when it's

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clearly been established that that's the

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misinterpretation of light by the

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microchip we differ in our opinion yeah

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if you want to talk about that woman's

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experience in the basement of her

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deceased mother that's one thing but

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that's not a picture of anything but a

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photographic anomaly we differ in our

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opinion sure in glaze porfavor

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naturellement you spoke of essences

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traveling through relativistic wormholes

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to get to the other side and I have a

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considerable problem with that concept

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because a a relevant a relativistic

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wormhole by its nature treats everything

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on an equal footing if there were

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relativistic wormholes involved in

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travel to the afterlife then we have

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stuff getting sucked into interstellar

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space every time somebody died I I can't

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I'd like to comment a little bit more

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about the orbs I'd like to comment a

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little bit more about the orbs there

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basically are two kinds of orbs there's

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one kind that self-luminous

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that looks as bright as a star sometimes

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they move but there are other kinds that

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are very dim which everybody in this

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room can try this experiment take a dust

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cloth and dust your house and shake it

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in front of your camera while you press

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the button in flash mode and you will

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generate thousands of orbs and I have

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done this experiment with dust with

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pollen with any kind of small particles

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and they do have a structure because

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they are reflecting the elements the

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multiple elements of the camera's lens

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okay

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I'm being rejected by the finest fear hi

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thank you so much what I wanted to say

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two things one essence and soul is more

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or less equivalent here okay good that's

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a good starting point now I didn't hear

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that I was in I'm in the back but you

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know in any case the second thing is how

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do you explain the differences that are

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cultural in terms of nd ears because

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people in Southeast Asia have seemed to

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stay in the same place and other

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cultures like a mystery religion of the

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Middle East the Druze they seem to you

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know have a greater recall of their past

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lives etc how do you kind of explain

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individual variation well the cultural

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variations is not individual it's like

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the whole culture seems to go in a

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certain way and so how do you explain

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that well I believe that when the

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essence returns to the body that the

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essence is again in a belief state you

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carry your cultural beliefs with you

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and so they color your perceptions and

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your interpretations of your perceptions

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and the way you word your perceptions

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when you come back to visible life

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the term ineffability has been used to

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describe indeed perceptions because

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people have a great difficulty in

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putting them in normal language so

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people fall back on their cultural

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training to form verbal descriptions of

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what they saw just one just one more

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small thing just a quick and relatively

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indeed most of them don't go through the

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tunnel PMH Atwater so anyway how would

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you we can maybe talk later about how

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you could get there with you I'm not

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going through a wormhole not going

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through a wormhole to get back I could

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talk to y'all that would be a